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carlosrapa Dead Money

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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: BBO Quality or Crap? |
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I built a poker table last year and was about to help my friend build his. He came across bbopokertables.com and now we are both curious as to how are they selling thiers so cheap? Is it crummy wood or are they good tables? I built mine for about the same price they are charging did I waste my time???
Mine has Suited Speed Cloth, a racetrack, and the whole table is made of birch. (picture above)
I am just curious if anyone knows anything about their product and what does it compare to Mark Junell's Style Poker Table?
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GazTheHat Site Admin


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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Because they're using poor quality materials. They look crap to be honest. |
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carlosrapa Dead Money

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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| GazTheHat wrote: | | Because they're using poor quality materials. They look crap to be honest. |
So whats poor quality about them??? The wood or table surface? And do you know what they use? I want to beable to talk my friend out of being disappointed. |
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irish7511 Rounder

Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 807 Location: NJ
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:02 am Post subject: |
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These guys are a sponsor over at homepokertourney. I don't recall seeing a review of one of their tables, but at first glance I'd have to agree with Gaz.
I'll prefix this with the fact that all of these opinions are based on the pictures, I've never seen one of these up close. They look a good deal better than most of the Chinese tables you see online, but it does look like they're using pretty cheap materials. Based on the GEN II table description on their site, the tables are constructed out of lightweight MDF, not plywood. MDF is notorious for bowing with time unless it's REALLY braced well (like with several 2x4s, a few cheapo aluminum braces isn't going to cut it). The racetracks aren't going to be real wood, but rather just a cheap veneer on particle board. The rail has seams and looks to be pretty cheap vinyl, and the pad on the rail looks thin as well. The playing surface is described as wool/nylon, the wool part of which is not good. Good playing surfaces (the stuff you'd get from the dye-sub vendors, SSC, or even USV or nylon velvet) are composed of nylon or polyester for card slide and durability.
Also, it says on their site that they're only 84" long. Even if it's a full 48" wide (which it doesn't look like), that's at best 22" per player for seating 10 guys, which is awfully tight.
Doesn't look like a terrible table if you have zero building skills or no tools - but for the same price, I'd say any table you'd make yourself will last 10X longer. |
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GazTheHat Site Admin


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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| irish7511 wrote: | These guys are a sponsor over at homepokertourney. I don't recall seeing a review of one of their tables, but at first glance I'd have to agree with Gaz.
I'll prefix this with the fact that all of these opinions are based on the pictures, I've never seen one of these up close. They look a good deal better than most of the Chinese tables you see online, but it does look like they're using pretty cheap materials. Based on the GEN II table description on their site, the tables are constructed out of lightweight MDF, not plywood. MDF is notorious for bowing with time unless it's REALLY braced well (like with several 2x4s, a few cheapo aluminum braces isn't going to cut it). The racetracks aren't going to be real wood, but rather just a cheap veneer on particle board. The rail has seams and looks to be pretty cheap vinyl, and the pad on the rail looks thin as well. The playing surface is described as wool/nylon, the wool part of which is not good. Good playing surfaces (the stuff you'd get from the dye-sub vendors, SSC, or even USV or nylon velvet) are composed of nylon or polyester for card slide and durability.
Also, it says on their site that they're only 84" long. Even if it's a full 48" wide (which it doesn't look like), that's at best 22" per player for seating 10 guys, which is awfully tight.
Doesn't look like a terrible table if you have zero building skills or no tools - but for the same price, I'd say any table you'd make yourself will last 10X longer. |
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BBO George Dead Money

Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 8
 
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:29 am Post subject: Hi Gentlemen! |
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My name is George, and I own BBO Poker Tables.
I appreciate you guys bringing our tables up in discussion, and I just wanted to personally address some of the concerns that you guys had about BBO Poker Tables. I definitely understand you guys being weary of cheap or poor quality products floating around on the internet (all one has to do is hop on EBay to see what you are talking about).
Other forum members @ ChipTalk.net basically started this same thread a few months back - you guys can check it out here.
BBO Poker Tables has been in business for over 4 years, and was built on word of mouth alone at the beginning. Building a company off word of mouth means that our product quality has to stand up to both fans and critics of the company, which is why we are one of the only poker table companies to offer a warranty on their tables (Given how much a poker table costs to ship, I have to be very strict on our quality control, or quickly we would be out of business).
To Gaz and Irish:
Our Gen II, V5 and UPT tables are geared to give the consumer a quality table while still being reasonably priced. The wood is indeed MDF, but rest assured that all the necessary reinforcements have been put in place to ensure that it never fails in terms of structural integrity (MDF is a lighter material, which brings shipping costs down - which is passed to customers).
Here is a picture of me sitting on a V5, which is actually made from only 1 sheet of MDF, but like all our tables, it's steel reinforced to enhance structural integrity.
I am 5'11 - 175lbs.
The wood for the racetracks are veneer, which allows us to keep the cost (and weight) down.
But when it comes down to it, what really what makes a good poker table is the armrest quality and foam underneath the playing surface. We us furniture grade leather vinyl (same as they use in sofas), and a 1/2in playing surface foam in all our tables (as a result of designing tables that are used by dealer schools here in California).
The result is a solid, durable poker table that is easily transportable at a good price.
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We also have a full line of high end, solid wood poker tables (made from Oak) which are professionally lacquered in paint booths featuring solid wood pedestal claw legs and dining top options. These tables are for the player that wants the top of the line solid wood build. Each of these tables weigh over 200lbs and were made for customers that look for quality over price.
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In regards to playing surface, the cotton/nylon blend on our folding leg tables do not pill - but is cost effective for the weekend warrior or casual player. We do offer dye-sub, gaming suede, and suited speed cloth for those more serious about their table, so the option is yours.
In general, I don't think it would be fair to my company and products to cast judgment on all that we do based on our Gen II table, which is the least expensive table in our line. I'm confident that we have the lowest return/dissatisfaction rate on the market, and I'm contently trying to improve or revise models based on customer feedback.
This year, we will manufacture over 1,000 tables for US and Canadian customers. We would never even come close to that if our products were not tested and backed by our customers.
Thanks so much for letting me share our company with you. And I will make the same promise as I did on ChipTalk.net. If you order one of our tables and don't like it, I'll pay for your immediate refund and for the table to be shipped back to us. |
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BBO George Dead Money

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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: |
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I will also extend the same coupon for Scott's members as I did for Chiptalk.net members. Use "4FORUMFRIENDS" to get 10% off any poker table.
Thanks! |
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BBO George Dead Money

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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject: BBO Poker Tables - Free Poker Table Giveaway! |
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Hey Guys,
I wanted to let you know we will be giving away a free poker table via Facebook. The more fans we get, the better the table we'll giveaway. To enter, all you have to do is Become a Fan on our Facebook page
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BBO George Dead Money

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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:29 am Post subject: Heads Up! |
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| Wanted to post an update to the giveaway. We are currently less than 100 fans away from giving away an Ultimate Poker Table. Still a couple weeks to go till the contest is over. |
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BBO George Dead Money

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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: Another Update |
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Another update on the contest. We're over 1700 fans which qualifies everyone for a $900 custom graphic ultimate poker table.
Become a fan http://www.facebook.com/BBOPokerTables |
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BBO George Dead Money

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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: Surprise! |
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With 1 week to go... Surprise! We dropped the number of fans needed for the top prize from 5000 to 3000. So 1000 fans in 1 week, lets see what happens! |
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Rebelwork Rounder


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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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All look the same to me. Throw everybodys in in a hat an draw. I'm still trying figure out the meaning of "custom" on poker table building ... |
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